>> right, they acknowledged for the first time that the government was using something called hops technology, refers to the hop from scrutinizing one person's phone records to everyone that person calls and to everyone those people call. the result is that the phone records of millions of people could potentially be examined in the search for one suspected terrorist. >> what has been described as discrete program to go after people who would cause us harm when you look at the reach of this program, it envelopes a substantial number of americans. >> but officials say that potential is only theoretical and does not reflect the reality. shep? >> it does envelope a substantial number of americans for sure. steve, thank you. with us former federal prosecutor with the u.s. attorney's office michael wildes. he's testified on capitol hill and professor of law at the cordosa school of law here in new york. they're in the bedroom with us, in the bathroom with us, they fly over our heads, they drone us. i guess there's nothing we can do about it. >> it's your tax dollars at work, shep. the truth is rig